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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

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  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Ultimate Axiom

  I have not yet come across an example of anyone under six being baptised, but I have found a couple examples of seven year olds, and another six year old. I have also come across scores of examples of 8 and 9 year old children being baptised, and literally hundreds of examples of 10-15 year olds.

  “In 1934, Mom and Dad were baptized. I too wanted to get baptized, and I kept insisting until Mother asked an older Witness to talk with me about it. He asked many questions in a manner that I could understand. Then he told my parents that I should not be prevented from being baptized; it might harm my spiritual growth. So I was baptized the following summer, when I was still six. (WT Aug 1, 1996, p21)”

  “Reared in such a spiritually rich environment, I made my dedication to God and was baptized before my eighth birthday. (WT Oct 1, 2000, p28)”

  “In September 1938, my parents were baptized. My siblings and I were baptized in December 1941 at a national convention held at Hargreave Park in Sydney, New South Wales. I was seven years old. (WT Oct 1 2006, p12)”

  I particularly like the reasoning of the “elder” in the six year old’s case – “it might harm her spiritual development if you don’t allow her to get baptised”. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. And while this happened nearly a century ago, it is quoted here with approval in 1996, showing that they would do the same again today if the occasion arose. Indeed they have done so, as shown in R&R’s example earlier in this thread.

  The Watchtower makes a lot of noise about the unscriptural and illogical practice of infant baptism, but they clearly ignore the concept of “age of consent” in this matter. It shows something of their ingrained hypocrisy, when they can say the following, while continuing to baptise children, I mean, who on earth would consider a six year old to be anything other than a "small child"?:

  “Jesus’ words at Matthew 28:19, 20 show that it is those who have been made his disciples that should be baptized. Hence, it follows that no infant or small child could meet the Scriptural requirements for baptism.” (WT March 15 1988, p14)”
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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Came across this today, it’s from Consolation, December 23, 1942, page 13. While it’s not conclusive proof that the WTS have baptised children younger than 6, more than three of these would appear to be so.

  
  
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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Thanks for those R&R, much appreciated.
  

  Minimus - very interesting and revealing experience. I wonder if the WTS fully realize the implications of baptising children. In their GT scenario, suppose a congregation was left with a couple of dozen sisters, half a dozen unbaptised, but adult males, and one baptised six year old boy. How that would work?

  Anyone any other examples of six and seven year olds being baptised, or experiences of their own being baptised as a pre-teen?
  
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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Ultimate Axiom

  The youngest reference I have come across is in the 1992 Watchtower (March 1st page 27) - “In the summer of 1946, I was baptized at the international convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Although I was only six years of age…”

  I would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times. If anyone has similar cases of any pre-teen baptisms I would be grateful to hear them, preferably from WT literature itself rather than outside sources.
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  Many people did something similar !

  by Phizzy in

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  A Generation Change Again???

  by BereanThinker7 in

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  i have heard a few whispers that once again they are going to be changing the generation teaching.

  does anybody have on info on this?.

  i would love to be able to hit my family with a. .

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  They should have stuck with the 1995 explanation which had a floating “wicked generation” that could last up to Armageddon, whenever that would be. It was boring, but it worked. Why did they have to tinker with it?

  They tinkered with it precisely because it floated and could thus last indefinitely. The faithful need a target: 1914, 1925, 1975, 20th century, 1914 generation etc. Simply saying ‘just around the corner’ for decades to come wouldn't cut it.

  When the overlapping generation was created back in the mid 90's

  The overlapping generation was not created in the mid-90s. In 1995 they abandoned the literal generation and taught that the ‘generation’ now meant ‘contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics’. In 2008 the 1995 definition was modified again and no longer referred to contemporary people in general, but to the anointed class. Two years later, in 2010 we were introduced to the overlapping generation, which first appeared in the April 15 Watchtower of 2010.

  the second group would be those who were born before the last individuals in the first group died.

  Sister Paulina is being ambiguous. While it is true that the second group were born before the last individuals in the first group died, the important thing is that they were anointed before the last individuals in the first group died. They were therefore born several decades before the last individuals in the first group died.

  If we assume that at the turn of this century the vast majority of the anointed were over thirty, then the youngest of the second group was born in the 1960s. It took them until 1995 to abandon the literal generation, so they could hang out this two-group generation idea until at least 2060. I would be surprised therefore, if they were to change it now with so much slack in the system, especially as this current lot will all be dead before the chickens come home to roost on this one.

  On the other hand, two-group generation concept is so absurd that they may feel their hand is being forced, for even in their ivory tower, they must be aware that even those who understand it don’t really believe it. Short of decoupling the ‘generation’ from the year 1914 completely, it’s hard to see what they could have up their sleeve. I genuinely hope the rumour is false – this overlapping-groups generation is such a valuable weapon to use against them.
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  Watch out, here comes the Governing Body!

  by neat blue dog in

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  a picture in this week's wt shows the annointed after being raised to heaven, when they start "smashing the nations".

  creepy!!

  i imagine am3 is out front, it seems like something he's eager for.

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  That lot can't be the GB, they wouldn't be seen dead sporting beards.
  
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  Prediction: What Will Happen To Trump Now That Biden Will Be President?

  by minimus in

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  i think he will have to deal with the attorney general of new york amongst other things.

  i do think he will not simply go away quietly ..

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  Donald could console himself with the two year secondment offer he’s had from CERN. They have requested his help with their latest set of experiments using the Large Hadron Collider. With his huge IQ and his Supermassive ego, they suspect he may be the only thing dense enough to stop neutrinos.
  
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  But you told us about those dates.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  you couldn't make it up!

  saw this wt quote on a friend's page.

  it is from the awake magazine of 1993, march 22nd apparently.

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  Ultimate Axiom

  They may admit that they are not infallible, but woe betide any Witness who does not treat them as if they are, for the WTS has also said,

  “It is vital that we … respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.” (Watchtower, June 15, 1957, page 370).

  “To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.” (Watchtower, May 1, 1959, page 269).

  “… a mature Christian … does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”” (Watchtower, August 1, 2001, page 14).

  “In this time of the end, Christ has committed “all his belongings” - all the earthly interests of the Kingdom - to his “faithful and discreet slave” and its representative Governing Body … The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.” (Watchtower, September 15, 2010, page 23).

  The only bit of Watchtower advice I would wholeheartedly recommend is this;

  “You may wisely decide against putting your trust in imperfect men and their fallible predictions and promises.” (Watchtower, March 15, 1966, page 168).
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  Muslim beheads one kills another yelling alahu akbar or what ever it is the idiots yell.

  by mickbobcat in

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  idiot muslims do it again.

  when will libtards learn.

  and now scotland wants to prosecute people for saying things in their own homes the muslims deem hate speech.

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  I would like to see the media stop calling these people “Islamist” terrorists. Followers of Islam were often called Muhammadans in the past, but now they are called Muslims. Presumably, to appease the sensitivities of your average Muslim, these murderous shits are called Islamists, as if that makes them different to a Muslim. They should be called Muslim Terrorists. And if the various Muslim bodies don’t like it, then they should be told to go and sort the evil scum out.